help sizing out a sediment filter

[cumak]

I've thought about using a backwashing filter, but I don't think this is a persistent problem so I'm reluctant to spend $700+ on a system. Also, I don't know where I would discharge 50 gal/day (if that number is correct) from the backwash cycle. I'm in Massachusetts so I wouldn't be able to dig a drywell until the spring, and I don't want to put that kind of load on my septic system.

I thought a Big Blue system would be an inexpensive and easy way to remove the sediment. Hopefully it would just be temporary until my water clears up again. Then I would still have it there if this happens again in the future.

[Driller1]

I've thought about using a backwashing filter, but I don't think this is a persistent problem so I'm reluctant to spend $700+ on a system. Also, I don't know where I would discharge 50 gal/day (if that number is correct) from the backwash cycle. I'm in Massachusetts so I wouldn't be able to dig a drywell until the spring, and I don't want to put that kind of load on my septic system.

I thought a Big Blue system would be an inexpensive and easy way to remove the sediment. Hopefully it would just be temporary until my water clears up again. Then I would still have it there if this happens again in the future.

Check with your local heath department before you dig a dry well. Some states do not allow them. If your state does you likely will have to stay at least 50 foot from your well.

Keep watching your well for a hole in the casing. Water will get dirty, maybe it will be wet around the well head.

[Andy CWS]

I've thought about using a backwashing filter, but I don't think this is a persistent problem so I'm reluctant to spend $700+ on a system. Also, I don't know where I would discharge 50 gal/day (if that number is correct) from the backwash cycle. I'm in Massachusetts so I wouldn't be able to dig a drywell until the spring, and I don't want to put that kind of load on my septic system.

I thought a Big Blue system would be an inexpensive and easy way to remove the sediment. Hopefully it would just be temporary until my water clears up again. Then I would still have it there if this happens again in the future.

A BigBlue filter is a good way to go. You may want to experiment on micron size. Start with a 20-micron. Pleated filters are washable and can be reused a few times.

Although 50 gallons may be a normal discharge for a backwashing filter (depending on size), doing it daily would not be needed. Maybe twice a week, or even less.

Andy Christensen, CWS-II

[Gary Slusser]

A liner is just an extension the the casing. We drill 5" PVC. So, we line with 3", two more shale traps and a 3" to 5" K-pack. Just push it down. No big deal at all.

So tell us how you doing the liner and "shale traps" and reducing the ID to 3" thingies in a rock bore well, how you don't seriously reduce the gpm recovery rate of the rock bore well etc..

A 5" well has 1.0 gals/foot of water and a 3" has .66 gals/ft. That is a serious reduction in storage. That will require the pump to work harder because the static water level will fall very rapidly and much farther down than with a 5" casing. The static water level will be reduced if you block off certain areas of recovery flow from the 5" and 3" areas.

And that can cause water quality issues. That 3" liner will require a 3" submersible pump because the present 4" pump used in the 4" and larger ID casing won't fit a 3" "liner".

Also, cooling of the pump's motor will be greatly reduced by reducing the ID of the casing from 5" to 3". If the motor gets hot enough it will melt the PVC and possibly 'weld' itself to the side of the 4" or 3" PVC liner. That means you may not be able to pull the pump later without damaging the liner etc..

IMO, doing what you describe is a serious rip off of your customers when they could buy water treatment equipment to solve any of their problems that you sell your solutions to "fix"..

And if the state of MI is requiring this BS, it's another reason why the state is running in so much red ink and the cities and industries are failing while violent and other types of crime skyrockets and all that goes along with Mi's democrat politicians and their inherent mismanagement.

[Gary Slusser]

I've thought about using a backwashing filter, but I don't think this is a persistent problem so I'm reluctant to spend $700+ on a system. Also, I don't know where I would discharge 50 gal/day (if that number is correct) from the backwash cycle. I'm in Massachusetts so I wouldn't be able to dig a drywell until the spring, and I don't want to put that kind of load on my septic system.

It really belongs in the septic system based on WQA studies (2 of'em over the last 25 yrs+/-) but, MA decided to not listen and continue to require their groundwater polluting dry well requirement. They are one of very few states that do that, millions of homes use the septic without causing any problems.

I thought a Big Blue system would be an inexpensive and easy way to remove the sediment. Hopefully it would just be temporary until my water clears up again. Then I would still have it there if this happens again in the future.

Maybe you could come up with some other project that will actually improve something in your life while you wait for this temporary situation to clear up...

I take it that you've never replaced a 10" or 20" BB cartridge before. I can tell you that you probably won't want to do it after the first time or very often.

[Driller1]

So tell us how you doing the liner and "shale traps" and reducing the ID to 3" thingies in a rock bore well, how you don't seriously reduce the gpm recovery rate of the rock bore well etc..

A 5" well has 1.0 gals/foot of water and a 3" has .66 gals/ft. That is a serious reduction in storage. That will require the pump to work harder because the static water level will fall very rapidly and much farther down than with a 5" casing. The static water level will be reduced if you block off certain areas of recovery flow from the 5" and 3" areas.

And that can cause water quality issues. That 3" liner will require a 3" submersible pump because the present 4" pump used in the 4" and larger ID casing won't fit a 3" "liner".

Also, cooling of the pump's motor will be greatly reduced by reducing the ID of the casing from 5" to 3". If the motor gets hot enough it will melt the PVC and possibly 'weld' itself to the side of the 4" or 3" PVC liner. That means you may not be able to pull the pump later without damaging the liner etc..

IMO, doing what you describe is a serious rip off of your customers when they could buy water treatment equipment to solve any of their problems that you sell your solutions to "fix"..

And if the state of MI is requiring this BS, it's another reason why the state is running in so much red ink and the cities and industries are failing while violent and other types of crime skyrockets and all that goes along with Mi's democrat politicians and their inherent mismanagement.

You are so not knowing what you are talking about. The liner have NOTHING to do with water production.
We don't hang the pump in the liner. It is in the 5". The additional shale traps go on the 3". Wells in my area produce 50/100 GPM. Just did a farm irrigation well the produces 700 GPM. The water is there, no problem. What a sad old ugly man you are. With your face I sure would not let anyone put my picture on the net. BTW, I don't charge for liners. I just tell other people that is up to the driller.

[NH Master]

Argumentative

Divisive

Condescending

Self Aggrandizing

Ego Maniacle


These are a few words that could use some serious study

[Driller1]

So tell us how you doing the liner and "shale traps" and reducing the ID to 3" thingies in a rock bore well, how you don't seriously reduce the gpm recovery rate of the rock bore well etc..

A 5" well has 1.0 gals/foot of water and a 3" has .66 gals/ft. That is a serious reduction in storage. That will require the pump to work harder because the static water level will fall very rapidly and much farther down than with a 5" casing. The static water level will be reduced if you block off certain areas of recovery flow from the 5" and 3" areas.

And that can cause water quality issues. That 3" liner will require a 3" submersible pump because the present 4" pump used in the 4" and larger ID casing won't fit a 3" "liner".

Also, cooling of the pump's motor will be greatly reduced by reducing the ID of the casing from 5" to 3". If the motor gets hot enough it will melt the PVC and possibly 'weld' itself to the side of the 4" or 3" PVC liner. That means you may not be able to pull the pump later without damaging the liner etc..

IMO, doing what you describe is a serious rip off of your customers when they could buy water treatment equipment to solve any of their problems that you sell your solutions to "fix"..

And if the state of MI is requiring this BS, it's another reason why the state is running in so much red ink and the cities and industries are failing while violent and other types of crime skyrockets and all that goes along with Mi's democrat politicians and their inherent mismanagement.

I did some checking. As far as I can tell, when the public act was passed with the water well codes the Republicans were in office. There has not been major change in years. Porky called me yesterday and we had a long talk about codes. I wish ours was like theirs in many ways.

[Gary Slusser]

You are so not knowing what you are talking about. The liner have NOTHING to do with water production.

Yes it does or there is nor use for one.

We don't hang the pump in the liner. It is in the 5". The additional shale traps go on the 3".

A pump can only use water above its inlet.

What a sad old ugly man you are. With your face I sure would not let anyone put my picture on the net. BTW, I don't charge for liners. I just tell other people that is up to the driller.

LOL girl I've been around for about twice the time you have and it isn't what a person looks like that counts but I hear you ain't much to look at either. Well, except for your size.

[Driller1]

The pump is not in the 3". If we liner to is to clean a little dirt in the water. Nothing to do with a production. The last well had 180 foot of open hole under the liner.

Gray, stay with water treatment.

[Gary Slusser]

I see that Porky isn't a fan of using a liner.... and you have no idea of why he isn't.

[Driller1]

I see that Porky isn't a fan of using a liner.... and you have no idea of why he isn't.

Not want he told me but, we will ask on the other forum.

[Driller1]

OK, now we will wait and see what he says. If he has not posted in a few days I will call and ask him look at the thread.