Double softener , double soft?

[Gary Slusser]

And the way I see it, if he will continually start arguments over nothing and no reason, what will it be with a customer when it will cost him money????

IMO, there is just a deep issue with him being "right". I see no reason once he has someone's money, that need to be "right" would not just deepen.

Just not my kind of person to deal with.

Since "he" is me, question and please be specific, how do you think a customer can cost me money?

[Driller1]

Well the beginning of this thread should help you a lot. As you should see, there is little to no info on how Kinetico's control valves work or how to fix them when they break. And there is only the one'n only local dealer to get service from and many of them will not sell you parts; or tell you what parts may need to be replaced. And from your experience with your local dealer, you've learned they are way overpriced. Especially if you realize that they use the same resins, resin tanks and salt tanks as the rest of us do.

BTW, I'm with you on the entertainment value here. lol Except for driller1, she has no sense of humor.

Sure I do Gary, I laugh at you all the time....

[Driller1]

Since "he" is me, question and please be specific, how do you think a customer can cost me money?

I think on a warranty issue or when it comes to standing behind a product you would keep arguing with the customer rather than make it right.

All I see from you is arguing.

[NH Master]

LOL Yeah you are back a TL's and if you keep up there like you have twice before, don't be surprised if you are banned again.

I welcome anything you want to do, send copies and make your claims to anyone you want to. Or you can ignore me like you say you are but before you do, I'd love to hear how you think anyone can hack someone's email. And why aren't you going to ripoffreport and correcting them IF you think someone pretended to be you; especially since you claim it was me!! LOL

They can tell you the poster's email address, name and ISP and very likely their computer's IP #.

You are a proven internet TROLL, why would anyone believe a single word that comes out of your mouth. You are a gutless, spineless little man with a Napoleon complex. You are in serious need of psychiatric counseling. You are the cause of 99% of every argument on every forum that still allows you to participate and there are damn few of them still left out there. You have been banned from so many forums that it's impossible to count them all. You post under alias names just to start trouble because you have nothing better to do with your pathetic life. I no longer feel the need to "defend" any comments made by you because the source is at best unreliable and at worse a compulsive liar. And you can LOL yourself right into the asylum where you belong.

Here, I believe this one is you, though you will naturally deny all involvement.

Kinetico Water Softener - Math Doesn't Work?


Posted by homerguy (My Page) on
Wed, Apr 8, 09 at 13:13

I hear a lot about how good Kinetico Water Softeners are. We just moved into a new house that has hard water (19-20 Grains), so I had a Kinetico rep come out to the house. He was very thorough, and I like the overall system, but I don’t see how their system is any more efficient or better than competitiors.

Maybe my calculations are incorrect…..Please double check me.

At our hardness, the Kinetico will need to regenerate every 313 gallons, and will use 29 gallons of water to do so. 29/313 = 0.093 Gallons of Regeneration Water per gallon of Softened Water Produced.

Another item that scares me is that when our household expands, this system could be regenerating daily or even more frequently. I’ve heard that too frequent regenerations inhibit a strong brine solution from having enough time to form.

A traditional 40,000 Grain unit will regenerate every 2000 Gallons. (40,000 grain capacity / 20 grains per gallon = 2,000 gallons?). Let’s estimate it uses 125 gallons to regenerate. Therefore the efficiency is 125/2000 = 0.0625 Gallons of Regeneration Water per Gallon of Softened Water Produced.

Even if this traditional unit is only 75% efficient, and needs to regenerate every 1500 gallons, the efficiency is 125/1500 = 0.083 Gallons of Regeneration Water per gallon of Softened Water produced.

The traditional water softener is still more efficient by my calculations.

I’m not trying to bash the Kinetico. I like their system, I’m just looking for reasons to justify the 40% price premium for a Kinetico. Their RO System Carries a 150% price premium! I’m all for buying quality, but I'm wondering if these price premiums exceed the return on investment.

[Driller1]

I agree with the above post.

That is why I could NEVER encourage anyone to buy from Gary.

[Gary Slusser]

I think on a warranty issue or when it comes to standing behind a product you would keep arguing with the customer rather than make it right.

All I see from you is arguing.

You don't know how warranties are handled. I troubleshoot the problem, identify what is wrong and I call or email my supplier to describe the problem and they send a free replacement part. Some times the customer is required to send the bad part back but that is rare. What do you suppose that costs me? If you guessed a dollar for the 800 number phone call to troubleshoot, you're right, otherwise you're wrong as usual.

[NH Master]

Why can't you read. Been there, done that

[NH Master]

My IT guy is handling it, thanks.

I don't know who it is but I'll tell you this, I am pissed off about it. There have been countless posts made that I had no knowledge of and worse yet, I can't do anything about at this point. And why? Just so some Troll can get his jollys?

I belong to a dozen or so other forums. I have never and this problem with any single one of them until I became a member at Terry's. Sure, I have had disagreements with members before but they have been civil. I don't have the time or patience to put up with this crap.

[NH Master]

End of conversation.

[NH Master]

You have something personal to say to me then why not do it in a PM rather than subject everyone else to your child like behavior? Pissed off because nobody is defending your assinine posts over there? Pissed off because a couple of engineers have told you that you are wrong? So what did you do, go crying to the mods or Terry again. BTW nice try here with the troll thing. Had us ROFLOAO If you can't affored your Prozak let us know. maybe we can do a fund raiser for you

[Gary Slusser]

I didn't receive any PM from you and here you were talking to me saying the conversation was over, so I just thought here is where I should correct you.

I heard that one of the 'engineers' as you call them reported a number of my posts over 'there'. Which started a conversation where you were mentioned.

What troll thing, somedumbname or someone else!? Yous guys think that was me? LOL You've got to get more sleep and do less of the adult beverage thing!!





Crying, yes I have been lately. I get to laughing at yous guys so much I can't help it. I haven't been able to see the screen here now for like 6 minutes since the troll thingy!! You think I was somedumbname etc.... LOL I'll bet it was somedumbdriller that got you rolled that way, right?

[NH Master]

You finally are getting around to replying on a post made back in April? LOL
Are you just bored or something? Ever thought of fishing or golf?

I like to be mentioned, but since I don't post there it is a moot point. Say hello to VM for me I miss the way he shuts down anyone that does not agree with his CSV. Tis the mark of a true professional when instead of debating the issue you just ban the poster. LOL

Ah yes gardenweb, weren't you banned from there?

glad you are making money what with that Clack thing and all. Maybe you can sell GE or Whirlpool now LOL


did anyone mention somedumbname? I didn't. LOL

Oh and sooner or later I am sure Terry will ban Ballvalve and Nukeman because there is nothing you guys hate more than someone that is right.

You guys are so paranoid over there that Terry shut down the PM feature because too many members were plotting against him LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL